Liar, Liar, Pants on Fire!

In a comical response to President Bush’s (Barack-attack) comment “…some seem to believe we should negotiate with terrorists…” Barack Obama in pure Kerry “I was for the war before I was against it” flip-flopping style said, “George Bush knows that I have never supported engagement with terrorists.” Referring to the President’s comment as a “false political attack,” Obama did what comes naturally…he lied!

(say it isn’t so!)

In a piece entitled, “Renewing American Leadership”, Mr. Obama wrote,

“Throughout the Middle East, we must harness American power to reinvigorate American diplomacy. Tough-minded diplomacy…could bring success even when dealing with long-standing adversaries such as Iran and Syria…we should not hesitate to talk directly to Iran.” (emphasis mine)

So, Mr. Obama, how exactly does one “not hesitate to talk directly with Iran” without negotiating with terrorists?

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Interesting that his guilty conscious immediately assumed the Prez was talking to him, eh? This guy is such a dufus, I can only imagine what will happen if he gets voted in. I hate to think.
WC

Yeah, funny the president made no mention of anyone in particular yet BHO heard his name screamed from the mountaintop.

LOL - can you say, ego?
WC

You’re actually contradicting yourself here. Mr Bush’s meaning of the word ‘terrorist’ is different to Obama’s. Mr Bush’s ‘terrorists’ are any and all people who are against American global interests and Obama’s ‘terrorists’ are people who actually present a physical threat to the lives ,not the profits, of the American people.
So by saying (quote : ‘So, Mr. Obama, how exactly does one “not hesitate to talk directly with Iran” without negotiating with terrorists?’) you show yourself to be a staunch supporter of George Bush’s meaning of what a ‘terrorist’ is. In other words you say that Iran’s leaders are ‘terrorists’ simply because they do not accept American supremacy over them. While Mr. Obama argues for dialogue with Irans regime and does not consider them terrorists because they simply do not aggree with the States.

John,

I disagree and see no contradiction in my statement. Iranian leaders have vowed to wipe Israel, a sovereign nation, off the map; they fund Hamas, a terrorist organization; and they train and equip militants who carry out terrorist acts in Iraq and Afghanistan. Iran is a state-sponsor of terrorism, and I believe that equates to terrorism itself. For one to believe that Iran doesn’t present a serious threat is simply naive.

- JOS

Jos,

You will be right if you say that Iranian government violates human rights by limiting freedom of speech in its country, carries acts of violence and sponsors militant organisations such as Hamas. However, you still do contradict yourself considerably.Instead of stating the facts you simply play with the meaning of the word terrorist.
First of all the facts. I must say your partly right that Iran with its strong army can perhaps present a threat. But look at reality who still presents the biggest threat to the region and perhaps the whole world none other then the US? The US supplies Israel every year with 3-4 billion dollars in aid which creates a hugely dispropartionate balance of power in the region especially due to the fact that Israel, already possesses its own nuclear weapons. Thus what kind of threat can Iran possibly present to Israel when Iran has no nuclear weapons? Israel on the other hand can easily, by using its nuclear weapons destroy not just the whole regions but indeed the whole world. Then you say that Iran supports militants in Iraq and Afganistan which carry out acts of terror. But the US backed Iraqi government with the help of American troops together with its controversial support of several Iraqi militant groups against each other has deeply undermined the whole peace process in the country and the whole Middle Eastern region. With nearly everyday acts of atrocity committed by the above parties, all funded by the US, have left more then a million Iraqi people dead and have created several million Iraqi refugees forced to flee their country in order to save their lies. Precisely from this flows that the US government is involved in carrying out the biggest ammount of terrorist acts in the region.
Secondly one can easily presume that Iran, whatever its humanitarian record within its own country, would be on the defensive trying to protect its National interests. This is especially true when the US has been a threat to the country ever since the Reagan administration supported Saddam Hussein with his war against Iran.
Vowing to bring democracy to the region the US has instead brought war, violence and suffering to the whole Middle Eastern region. You defend your argument with your own meaning of the word terrorism. To you terrorism is open defiance to Bush’s interests in the region. However as many people can agree the meaning of the world terrorism is not just simply open defiance to the interests of a global super power but ‘terrorism is the act of violence against civilians to achieve political or ideological objectives by creating fear;.This is precisely what the US has set out to do in the Middle Eastern Region by displaying its huge war machine to create fear in all of its opponents.

John,

I appreciate your comments, but I couldn’t disagree more. My definition of “terrorism” is simply, the deliberate creation and exploitation of fear through violence or the threat of violence. Terrorism can be perpetrated by an individual, a group or a government, either directly or indirectly. I believe you and I have the same definition of terrorism; however, completely different views on who qualifies as a terrorist. I do not consider defiance to be terrorism, nor do I expect everyone to agree with the Bush administration or the U.S. Congress. Furthermore, I do not expect my government to engage in a political dialogue with a country who, by your own admission, “violates human rights by limiting freedom of speech in its country, carries [out] acts of violence and sponsors militant organisations such as Hamas.” Iran carries out terrorist acts and sponsors the terrorist activities of others, and for the President of the U.S. (regardless of who it may be) to offer a diplomatic exchange to its leaders, without precondition, gives legitimacy to their actions and weakens our position. I would not expect any democratic leader, be it the U.S. President or the British PM, to engage with the Iranian government until it agrees to denounce terrorism and recognize Israel’s right to exist.

With regard to your comments about the threat Israel poses in the region: The Jews are the minority in the Middle East and are surrounded by intolerant neighbors bent, not only on their destruction, but their total annihilation! It’s true that many Arab countries believe its unfair that Israel has nuclear weapons, but Israel has never used, nor threatened to use those weapons for anything other than self-defense. These weapons, along with support from the U.S., helps provide stability in the region.

Conversely, I believe if Iran were to acquire nuclear weapons (in violation of the nuclear nonproliferation treaty it ratified in 1970), it would put pressure on the other countries in the region to do the same. If Arab countries, notably Saudi Arabia, but also Egypt and possibly Syria, found themselves caught between a nuclear-armed Israel and a nuclear-armed Iran, it would greatly increase pressures to pursue their own nuclear options. This could likely escalate into a regional arms race, which could be very destabilizing, given the number and intensity of conflicts in the region. The U.N. Security Council is correct in imposing sanctions on Iran for defying the Council’s demand to halt its uranium enrichment program.

Anyway, we both agree that Iran is a terrorist state, and although you don’t see it, I believe the evidence is crystal clear that Iran, especially an Iran with nuclear weapons, poses a serious threat. No matter what opinion one holds of President Bush, any world leader who would engage with Ahmadinejad or the Imams will lose face in the eyes of the Iranian people and the rest of the world.

- JOS

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